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Nyer's Ikebana Burner

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nickicap 
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28 May 2003 1:53 AM
(This is a carryover from a thread and some PMs from before the revamp of the forum- he has an Ikebana burner id'd as an NEC ND1100A, a 4x +R burner, buying a new Sony player yielded success only with an +RW burn he did, but not with any of his Memorex +R burns)

What +R discs are you using? 1x, 2.4x or 4x?

That drive is a brand new model. NEC has been a -R only vendor til now. There may be firmware issues with it. Understand, that the specification on the +R/+RW side of things covers only the +RW. +R is an extension of the standard. Compatibility is supposed to be better for +RW media. It's the opposite on the -R side of things, with -R being the basis for the standard. Anyway, I'd use +RW media until you get this resolved.

Remind me, do the +Rs play in your PC?
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321_Q/A 
Inactive

28 May 2003 9:36 AM
nyer,
The Ikebana drive is on the list, so it may be something besides drive compatibility that is causing the problem.

Here's the list.
http://support.321studios.com/faq/KBSearch.asp?s=ID&i=1154

It says that it is for DXC, but we use all of the same burners to test with, so the list should be the same.

Have you tried using V2.0?


<nyer wrote in the old thread>
321_Q/A: Is there a list of supported burners? I should have looked at that before I purchased the burner. I can return the Ikebana since I am within 15 days of purchase and I have all the original documents.

nickicap: I tried 2.0, but that created the same problem. Is there a list of supported stand alone DVD players?

I am not certain about the following (shall confirm it later) butI think DXCX is not finalizing the DVD. Previously that process used to take a few seconds, but lately I have not seen that on the screen. It could be that I am not looking closely. Anyone ever see this?
nyer 
Junior Member

28 May 2003 10:35 AM
Nickicap, 321_Q/A and others,

A quick recap of my situation for this new thread:
Using a brand new Ikebana +R/+RW burner which my pc recognizes as _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A (write speed of x4 for +R, and x2.4 for +RW) I was able to backup 2 movies (Planet of the Apes 2001 and Tora Tora Tora) one on a +R Memorex (write speed stated as 1x or 2.5x) and one on a no-name +R disc that came with the burner (no write speed information provided). These discs work on my DVD ROM, on the burner and on my JVC XVS60 DVD player (18 months old). However no other burns of three different movies using the +R Memorex discs have succeeded since on the JVC standalone player even though all the back ups work on the DVD ROM and the burner. I have tried DXCX 2.0 and 2.0.1. I followed all the prescribed actions I could find on this forum including setting DMA at the default DMA and then at PIO.

I purchased a new Sony DVP NS725P yesterday and it too was unable to read any of the newer +R backups I have made. However the Sony player was able to read a backup I made yesterday with a +RW Ricoh disc (that came with the burner). The +RW Ricoh disc is still unreadable on my JVC player.

This is leading me to believe that my Memorex +R media is somehow incompatible with my burner or that my burner needs firmware updates to be compatible with more media brands. At this point, given that I can return my burner and buy another (perhaps a -R/-RW burner since -R media is supposedly less expensive, and I was told that -R is an approved standard, compared to +R which is an extension of the +RW standard), I might just do that.

My PC specs: AMD Athalon XP 2000, 512 MB RAM, 1.6GHz, OS=XP Home

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321_Q/A 
Inactive

28 May 2003 11:32 AM
nyer,
If you haven't done so already, I always suggest that people go out and gram a "sample pack" of DVDs. Most of the time, you would choose if you want a pack of +or - R/RW and the package would have 4 or more types of disks to try and see which on gives you the best compatibility.

What we need is for the burner companies to settle on one format and we would all be much better off.
nyer 
Junior Member

28 May 2003 12:18 PM
Hi all, one other issue came to mind. When backing up Forrest Gump (movie is 141 minutes) on Memorex +R discs, the burn took only approximately 27 minutes, even though the disc is rated for only 1x or 2.5x write speeds. So does this mean that the burner is somehow unable to detect the disc's write speed capabilities and is writing too fast?

I shall look out for a sample DVD media pack. Meanwhile I am planning on returning the Ikebana burner for another burner. Shall keep you posted.
72morgan 
Senior Member

28 May 2003 1:40 PM
nyer

I had problems getting my backups to play on a Toshiba until I changed the Compatability Bit Settings on my H-P 200i. I do not know if your burner has any thing like that but its worth checking. On my H-P , they call it Mode 1 & Mode 2. Once I switched to Mode 2 they played on my Toshiba.
dengar 
Senior Member

28 May 2003 1:53 PM
If you are burning to +r media, you also might want to try bitsetter. It is a free program and it changes the bitrate on your dvd. This will make it read like a dvd-rom instead of a backup.

You can get bitsetter in the afterdawn main forim.
nyer 
Junior Member

28 May 2003 3:57 PM
Update:
I returned the Ikebana burner and bought a Sony DRU510A and successfully backed up a movie (Adaptations) using the Memorex +R discs (the ones that gave me much trouble with the Ikebana burner). The backed up DVD plays on all my stand alone DVD players - even the really old ones. Incidentally it took 23 minutes to burn the Adaptations movie which is 114 minutes long - even though the disc is rated only for 2.5x write speed.

I puchased some Fuji +R and Memorex -R discs too. Shall report on my success (or lack there of) with those here.

I want to thank all of you for helping me.
321_Q/A 
Inactive

28 May 2003 4:08 PM
nyer,
That's great!
I think you'll like the Sony drive as well..

Support for their drives is not the best, but the drives themselves usually don't have many problems.
nickicap 
Inactive

28 May 2003 4:47 PM
nyer

Have fun. Stay under the 4x radar though... ;-)
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socalMT 
Newbie

28 May 2003 9:58 PM
I also bought a Ikebana burner. My problem is it doesn't read the blank media. I insert it into the drive and check it with My Computer and it says, "drive not accessible" or "please insert a disc". I've tried 3 different types of media; +R +RW and -RW and all 3 do the same thing. Take it back?
toolman18 
Senior Member

28 May 2003 10:09 PM
socalMT,
Is the original recognized in the burner?Does the software included with this drive include "B,s" Clips.This is a Packet writing software and this can cause problems with DVDX Copy.

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xgasman 
Senior Member

28 May 2003 10:53 PM
socalMT

MY COMPUTER and WINDOWS EXPLORER are not capable of detecting blank media, so the response you got was correct. To determine if your media is being detected by your drive you should use your dvd burning software or DVDINFO (available online for download. Try a search.)
socalMT 
Newbie

29 May 2003 9:43 AM
Thanks for the responses. Not sure what "B,s" Clips is but I'll do a little checking. DVDINFO sounds like a good thing to get. How does one format RW software if the drives don't recognize blank media?
It's going to be a few days before I can try your suggestions. I'll post my results when I do.
nickicap 
Inactive

29 May 2003 11:33 PM
socalMT

You don't need to format the media like a floppy disk. It's done on the fly. Same for CD-Rs. The only time you'd specifically format them is for file system compatibility if you intended to use them for data transfers. For the functions used with stuff like DSV X Copy & Xpress, just follow the correct procedure and let the software do the leg work. You'll know if the software ses the blank or not right quick.
LauLau 
Newbie

2 Jun 2003 4:33 AM
can someone help me i use a sony dru-500ax and comp usa media... i am using xpress and it's not working on my ps2 but it's working on my computer..... can i make the ps2 play it or do i have to buy a new dvd player ???
LauLau 
Newbie

2 Jun 2003 5:30 AM
oo ok it works now try use xpress 2.0 i was using xpress 2.0.1 now it works on my ps2
socalMT 
Newbie

2 Jun 2003 9:35 AM
Ok, I downloaded DVDINFO and it read my cd drive but not the dvd. B's clips worked to format the +RW media I have but not the -RW (says it doesn't support that type of media). Some are suggesting I return my Ikebana burner for something else. What is everyone happy with? I know there is an approved list, but what have been tried and liked? I have a Sony notebook.
toolman18 
Senior Member

2 Jun 2003 6:47 PM
socalMT,
earlier I asked if you had B's Clips and you did'nt know what it was,last post you said you used it.DXC and Express can have problems if this or Direct CD or In Cd,these are Packet Writing Software that should be uninstalled if DXC will not work.See FAQ:
http://support.321studios.com/faq/FAQSupport.asp?Function=Category&CatID=2

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nickicap 
Inactive

2 Jun 2003 11:03 PM
socalMT

What is it exactly you're trying to accomplish. As stated earlier, you do NOT need to , nor should you format DVD media before burning DVDs. That is, unless you want to use DVDs for data backup or transfer.

As far as the Ikebana drive, it's a Yamaha mehanism. All I can tell you is an earlier guy (hence this thread) dumped his because of problems and had much better success wuth whatever he later bought. The Sonys are very good, Toshiba SD-5002 is a good -R, NEC is a decent low cost -R. Brand doesn't really mean a whole lot until support and return issues arise.
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socalMT 
Newbie

3 Jun 2003 3:00 PM
As far as B's clips goes I wanted to see what my burner could and could not do. I used dvdinfo to see if my system could detect the drive, which it hadn't been doing before. B's Clips showed me that I could copy something to it; also something I couldn't do before. The particular problem I was having; the program not responding, happened before and after using these two programs.
I returned the Ikebana and bought a Sony burner, uninstalled B's clips, the old drivers and programs and installed the new, and am having the exact same problem now with it. I'm thinking of trying Nero software and seeing what happens with it.
toolman18 
Senior Member

3 Jun 2003 5:35 PM
socalMT
Post your system info. again,don't know if you did this prior to the forum change or not.Also what ver of DXC & as much info as possible.What you have done and what exact problems are.
socalMT 
Newbie

3 Jun 2003 5:56 PM
Sure, I've got a Sony VIAO notebook with 512 MB RAM, P4 2.4GHz, plenty of disk space, Windows XP home, no internet, screen savers off, no packet software (anymore). An external (USB 2.0) burner, DXC 1.5.2
I've used 3 different types of media, 2 different burners, tried different movies, etc. Like I said, each time I get to the burn phase the program stops responding(not the computer, other programs continue to respond). The burner works to play movies, I can copy to it, it plays audio. Just not able to copy movies, is all.
nickicap 
Inactive

3 Jun 2003 11:50 PM
socalMT

Not for nothing, but why would you spend the extra money and sacrifice performance to buy an external drive? There certainly is a good chance that your USB drivers have issues and/or you're simply not getting suitable performance through your USB port to support a good burn.
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ireland 
AfterDawn Addict

4 Jun 2003 12:14 AM
a program note,if changing to diff burners,as 321-jejj has stated-,the burner is not seen in the dvdx program,because win uninstalls a file or two of dvdx when it reinstall the driver files...and you must reinstall the dvdxprogram so it can see the writer again....

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