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I paid 169+tax after rebate for my cendyne 105(pioneer 105) their is no way in hell the SONY is worth more then double price for the burner.
Ther price of + media is 3X the price of -media.
Ive had my 105 for 5 months with 50+backups and counting no problems at all. The best purchase Iv ever made.
xgasman
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 6:38 PM
You don't have to worry at this time that the +r/rw format is going to disappear soon. Bill Gates said that the next version of WINDOWS would support the +r/rw....he didn't mention the -r/rw. And in time as long as +r/rw drives get enough sold that the disk making companies have enough incentive to continue making the disks they also should drop in price. Their is one advantage that +rw has over -rw....they don't need to format the complete disk before using. I also believe their packet writing is supposedly better than what -rw can do. Remember these drives were actually created to replace cdr drives because of the bigger disk capacity. So data is the reason they were created, dvd movies just happened to be a better reason for us to buy them.
Jaybo
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 6:38 PM
mysterio,
What was the price before rebate?
Is the rebate still in effect?
Where was your purchase made?
Thanks
Whisperer
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 8:30 PM
xgasman
""Bill Gates said that the next version of WINDOWS would support the +r/rw....he didn't mention the -r/rw.""
I don't get what you mean. It isn't up to windows to support either +/-. The burners, firmware and media already work in windows. What does the OS have to do with it?
Best regards
Jaybo
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 9:34 PM
Whisperer,
I haven't done any investigation of the "Bill Gates" statement. Do you suppose he maybe talking about his WinMedia player?
Be Safe,
Jaybo
Spider--
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 9:51 PM
Maybe a built in packet writing utility for windows explorer??????
Whisperer
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 10:02 PM
stollery
By Invitation: Please see the 10 Apr 2003 6:38 PM post above where a poster states windows will "support" +R. What is he talking about? I ask you cause you are a systems integrator. Read the whole thread if you like ... I had alot of fun relating past Sony history and justly bashing Sony "standards"! But this is the second time I've seen such a statement posted but the poster must have "gone away" and is not responding back to my request (which is two posts below his) as to what he's saying.
So wasup wid his statement?
Thanks man
stollery
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 10:22 PM
Whisperer - yeah he's correct from what I remember. Apparently Gates shocked a lot of folks when he professed his support for +r/+rw. At the moment I can't offer more info however, except to say I received a memo regarding this issue.
DON'T get me started on Sony. Tooooooo late. (Note: I PMed our Sony man and provided some insight.) Anyhow, let me lay this one on you. I'm retired military and bleed red, white, and blue. That being said, years ago when buddies of mine were returning from overseas duty, they began hauling their Sony equipment into the store for repair. After making contact with our rep in Atlanta we were told that they (Sony) couldn't support any of those folks because they purchased "overseas models". When I reminded these pee brains that these units were purchased in American PX and BX's, they said: "so sorry G.I. Send it back to Japan".
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Since I live right next door to Eglin AFB, where they developed that sweet little 21,000 bomb, I asked one of my buds if he could accidentally kick it out of the back of a C-130 while flying around Atlanta. Said he was sorry, as much as he wanted to help, but stated it was marked postage due and on it's way OVERSEAS, to parts unknown. Yeah, right. Sony, NOTHING BUT BALONEY.
Thanks, now I'll probably not sleep tonight. :)
whompus
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 10:40 PM
From the memo I received this just means microsoft is backing +r/rw as the os supports both already. As far as the sony mess goes I will not go there as my friend is a rep for them her at fort Rucker.
Stollery
For you and your friends purchasing from px or bx remind them to also go the extra little bit of cost for the aafes extended warranty plan. That will not cost much and will cut out the vendor all together.
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nickicap
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 10:48 PM
Whisperer et Stollery
Love butting in...(got my engraved invite via ether...) That's BS above that you refer to. Obviously, Windows has no reference point for media standards. That's consumerese for, "I bought a hoogy-woogy and you should too cause I read in PC-Gods Mag that that's the best there is" (and I don't want to be the only one to have this particular hoogy-woogy if it proves to be a bunch of crap).
My take is that once Sony crossed over with the 500A (to add -R capability to their burners), +RW's days are numbered. Same as what happened when IBM pushed O/S2 Warp based on having added Windows compatibility; sure suicide for your side of camp when you make way for the other side... From my experience, -R has a big edge in compatibility and that's why Sony joined in. It would not surprise me at all to see their next (drive design), or the one after, go completely -R. Even if Billy Boy says he prefers +RW.
BTW, I see branded 4x +R media in a 50-pack spindle for $58 wholesale!!! I've been paying over $90 for 2x -R 50-packs. That seems amazing at this stage. Do either of you know if the DRU-120A (Ricoh 2.4x OEM) will support 4x media? (Not to burn at 4x, obviously, just not to fail. Since they're cheaper than 2.4x, if they'd work, I'd buy'em.)
Whisperer
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 11:17 PM
stollery
You and everybody else are not "getting" my question. My question and my point is:
"What does the OS have to do with media standards" ie windows is an operating system not a burner, not media. What part of windows or what function or windows does that wacko statement refer to???
As an example of what I'm asking: If the National Dairy Association says "We are going to come out supporting 2% Milk". What the f*ck would that mean? They ALREADY support 0%, 1%, 2%, and whole milk!!! So, as a question parallel to that:
"You can already run + or - devices with Windows, so what the F does a statement like Gate's statement mean ...exactly ??"
Thanks Stollery (and the rest of the gang)
stollery
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 11:39 PM
Whisperer - Ah, got it now. I don't see how the OS could have "jack" to do with it either. I'm going to do some poking around and see if I can get some more poop for you on Mr. Microsoft. Still, I got the impression from, what I believe, Gates was referring to was that Microsoft believed that the plus format was "the future". You don't think Gates is in the sack with Sony do ya? Hey, nickicap, where the hell did you come from? Don't you pukes up north ever sleep?
Thanks whompus for the skinny on extended warranties.
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whompus
Senior Member
10 Apr 2003 11:42 PM
I could be wrong but when I got the message I take it to mean Microsoft will use there influence and even money if needed to back the +r/rw standard.
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nickicap
Inactive
10 Apr 2003 11:58 PM
Whisperer
I got you and answered you. Windows has nothing, not one iota to do with media standards. Read my response to you in the post before you asked again. The media is only recognized and supported by the drive which in turn is recognized and supported (via drivers) by the O/S. The O/S is not even aware of what media a drive reads or writes to. It's hogwash, as I elegantly stated to you in my butt-in earlier.
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nickicap
Inactive
11 Apr 2003 12:01 AM
stollery
Pukes? I see your military background won't go away! PUKES? ;-) That's what my dog does when she eats too much! That's what I did when I discovered my split points were on fire!
So why was today (yesterday now) crazy? We're slow. Ever since the war started. People are talking about doing projects but no one wants to pull the trigger. Maybe now with all the Saddam statues busted up...
nickicap
Inactive
11 Apr 2003 12:08 AM
Bill Gates makes lot of onerous comments about all things technology. He thinks it's his place to make proclomations on high. If he's up late worrying about which DVD media format survives, well then he needs to get busy deisgning another $50M house to occupy his time. Like how M$ invented the optical mouse three years ago. Stollery will back me when I tell you how Mouse Systems had optical mice 13 years ago, before Microsoft even thought about getting into the input device business. Or how M$ was the "leader" in all things Internet... ahhh, time to help my dog puke and to go snooze for a few hours... Microsoft... I have to emulate them and come up with a product that I can get everyone to sell at or below cost, make THEM responsible for supporting, charge THEM if it doesn't work, and essentially make it mandatory that every product THEY sell includes it. Right Stolly?
Whisperer
Senior Member
11 Apr 2003 1:08 AM
Thanks Stollery. Looking forward to any poop you uncover.
whompus
""...influence and even money if needed to back the +r/rw standard...""
And that's the nature of my question ... MS doesn't make burners, media, dvd software etc so what IS there to influence? Gates is NOT going to do "product endorsements" for what he doesn't own. What would be different about windows now and windows "then"?
I hope I'm not beating a dead horse too much but I can't leave a stupid statement like that alone. It's like saying "I'm going to breath air today". You already breath air for god's sake!
Sh*t, let's just all chip-in and have gates killed!
Whisperer
Senior Member
11 Apr 2003 1:15 AM
What if he is laying the groundwork for a copy protection scheme to come in the future? The guy is insidious, to say the least, and there is always a reason for why this dragon opens it's big jaws (mouth).
Whisperer
Senior Member
11 Apr 2003 1:46 AM
nickicap
Per your "10 Apr 2003 11:58 PM "
I always pay attention to your posts, but this onion has many layers. I think your very normal "hogwash" reaction is just layer #1. Title this movie "The Deception". There is something else happening here.
Conspiracy Theory #649749836h
Guess we'll have to beat the answer out of him instead of killing him.
"Ahhh...give this to..ahh...Clemenza. I want reliable people ... people who aren't gonna be carried away. I mean, we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
(?)
Jaybo
Inactive
11 Apr 2003 7:44 AM
To the combatants,
You all are way off topic, please remember this has to do with purchasing a burner.
Here is Poor Tally just wanting a little information help, to be able to purchase one DVD Writer.
Who let Mr.Gates in this conversation?
Why does he deserve *ALL* the attention of Tally purchasing a burner? The questions I pose are rhetorical.
I think everyone has gotten (including me) to the point of being overly enthusiastic about interjecting their personal convictions. I have respect for you all.
Please remember, to check your egos at the door, and not stray so far from the topic.
Sorry if I have offended anyone.
Good Luck,
Jaybo
Tally
Newbie
11 Apr 2003 8:12 AM
Jaybo
"Here is Poor Tally just wanting a little information help, to be able to purchase one DVD Writer."
Yes, I still want to know which DVD writer to buy, but I am enjoying this.......
Jaybo
Inactive
11 Apr 2003 8:20 AM
Tally,
You have to admit, we are entertainment.
Good Luck,
Jaybo
nickicap
Inactive
12 Apr 2003 1:05 AM
Jaybo
With all due respect, a large portion of the decison on WHICH burner to buy hinges on what format to buy. And if there is some question about the longterm viability of one or the other format, that is a serious consideration. If there is some outside influence pushing for one format over the other that too is relevant to the conversation. Extending that to cover one's comments that Windows or another O/S has something to do with a media format may be a tad off-topic, but part of the education of a person in the process of shoppping can take one off the straight and narrow into peripheral discussion land... The biggest mistake consumers of consumer grade computer equipment and CE products can make is to believe eveything they read in consumer rags. Many don't believe that what is printed is usually paid for by the advertisers, one way or the other, thus opinions are often greatly influenced by $$$$$.... Those of us in the business for a long time try to provide perspective from within, without the commercial ties that bind, since we're anonymous and our business ties and contracts are not compromised while we're behind the proverbial curtain... Dig?
nickicap
Inactive
12 Apr 2003 1:06 AM
Whisperer
Yikes, a deep throat on After Dawn?
Jaybo
Inactive
12 Apr 2003 7:00 AM
nickicap,
Your rhetoric is that of a high pressure salesperson, no offense, being off topic is being off topic. None of what was being hashed around had anything to do with buying a DVD writer. Dig?
Please express your opinion to the topic of the thread, and not to the last post, or take the time to read all of the posts so that you may get a clearer understanding of the thread as a whole.
If you do not understand the forum rules please take the time to read them.
My apology's to all for my rant.
Good Luck,
Jaybo
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It is already over 90 days since last post to this thread, you're not allowed to post here anymore.
